In today’s episode of the Idea to Value podcast, we speak again with author Todd Henry about his new book Daily Creative. By the time this podcast launches, the book has already been #1 on Amazon, so congratulations Todd.

You may remember Todd from the previous podcast interview where we talked about the Motivation Code. Today we talk about what it takes to make creativity a daily exercise and how to make it more actionable and productive.

Topics covered in the episode:

  • 00:01:30 – What the Daily Creative is about
  • 00:04:00 – What you do every day matters more than what you do once in a while
  • 00:07:15 – How the book is structured in order to be useful every day and repeatable
  • 00:10:00 – The book is designed to help people develop the process and cadence of creativity instead of just getting by on skill
  • 00:15:45 – With people’s shortening attention spans, people need a book like this now
  • 00:21:40 – People are afraid of making mistakes, while they have no idea of what is important yet. You learn in the midst of doing
  • 00:23:30 – Re-imagining what Todd wants to do in the world
  • 00:26:40 – How Todd is diversifying how he does his core business work

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Transcript of the episode: (Auto-generated so please excuse minor errors)

Nick Skillicorn: Hello true creatives, and welcome to another very special episode of the idea to Value podcast. I’m thrilled to have back with us today, Todd Henry, you may remember Todd’s previous episode where We talked about the motivation code. You may also know Todd from his work writing books such as Die Empty & Herding Tigers.

But today we’re talking about his new upcoming book.

It’s called the Daily Creative and it’s all about daily practices that can help you really bring your best creative work to the table.

Todd its wonderful having you back today.

 

Todd Henry: It’s great to be here. Thanks for inviting me back

 

Nick Skillicorn: So we talked about your history last time. Let’s get down into the meat of it today.

You’ve got a new book coming out, called the Daily Creative.

What’s it about, and what sort of things can we expect from it?

 

Todd Henry: So over the last couple of years. You many of us have been trying to figure out new ways of working.

obviously we had this little thing called a global pandemic that none of us expected to have to experience in our lifetime, or at least hoped we wouldn’t experience.

And I think for many creative pros, we were not only having to deal with the struggle of the work getting the work done, and the uncertainty of the work, but also the uncertainty of our work methods you know how we were calling how we were interacting with one another, and I think because of that my experience, has been that a lot of people have felt a little bit like they’re drowning, you know, Not really swimming.

Usually we can swim in the tide when it comes, but I think people felt like they were drowning And the last thing you want to do, and some of these drowning is toss them a 300 page manual about how to swim, and so I, as I was considering my next book, and what I might want to do with the next book, I thought you know really what would be useful to people in my experience over the past couple of years is a daily Actionable Practical Guide to Help them be prolific, brilliant, and healthy every day. You know.

One quick idea, I mean, who has time to sit down and read for hours every day.

I mean some of us do, because we love to do that, but not everybody has the time every day to do that.

So I I thought, Well, I’ll just write a book with 366, because of leap year, distinct ideas and actionable insights.

That people can digest very quickly. Consider, maybe, do some reflection on, do some writing, on if they want, and then apply that day in their life and work, and the great thing about it is at least from my perspective is that every time you read The book it’s going to mean something different to you because you’ll be

in a different place as a professional you know, so you might read the same entry twice, and have a completely different response because of whatever’s going on in your life And world.

So that was really my ambition was to write something that would feel like a companion like a daily companion for people is they strive to do better work each day

 

Nick Skillicorn: I can attest to the power that you can get from.

so journals where there’s just a very short amount of time to do a very particular task, and my wife and I did the 5 min gratitude journal for quite a while.

 

Todd Henry: Hmm, yeah, yeah.

 

Nick Skillicorn: where you write down 3 points in the mornings, and 2 points in the evenings, and it’s takes 5 min to do.

But it’s that act of getting into the habit.

And the action that also triggers a mindset shift.

 

Todd Henry: Yeah.

 

Nick Skillicorn: So what sort of things are you actually going through in the daily creative

 

Todd Henry: Well, look to that point that you just made. Let me let me reiterate that or sort of reinforce that point with, and then say, that really kind of drove a lot of.

What we do in the book, which I’ll answer next, and that is a quote by Gretchen Rubin, she said, what you do every day matters more than what you do once in a while, and I believe that to be very true that what you Choose to do every single day provides the foundation for all of

your ambitions, collaborations, work leadership, whatever you have to do every day.

Those daily disciplines are what set you up for success.

So we primarily focus on 5 key areas. And this is really the 5 P areas that I have been teaching about for the last couple of decades in my work.

And all of my other books. This is my sixth book And those 5 areas are focus relationships, energy stimuli and hours.

So, focus being how we allocate our finite attention to the work, and how we define problems, and then attack those problems every day as creative pros, Creativity is problem solving.

So if you have to solve problems every day, congratulations, You’re a creative professional.

But with that comes a lot of uncertainty. And so how we define problems, and how we allocate our attention is really.

Important. So that’s focus relationships is how we connect with others, and how we leverage others in our pursuit of our ambitions, how we lead, how we collaborate energy is, how we manage our ability to bring what Lewis Hyde calls emotional labor to our work, so this is things, like how we

prune, unnecessary activities, priorities commitments from our life, and how we pursue productive passion to give us energy.

A deep well of energy for the work that we do stimulus.

Those are the things that go into our brain, that form the sparks of creative intuition in our life.

But some of us are less than purposeful about how we build stimulus into our life, and so there many entries about building effective stimulus into our life.

And ways to kind of spark ideas, and the final one is ours, which is how we allocate our finite attention.

Many people think about their time in terms of efficiency, but not in terms of effectiveness.

So some of the principles in the book are some of the entries task people with making time in investments.

You’ll invest your time in this area this week. You things that may not pay off for maybe days or weeks to come.

But they’re important investments for us to make. So those are the 5 key areas, and those were the 5 elements of creative rhythm.

In my first book The accidental Creative and really carried over through all of my other books, as well as a framing tactic.

But those are the 5 areas focused relationships, energy stimuli and hours

 

Nick Skillicorn: So now I’m trying to imagine if we’ve got these 5 types of topics, how this relates to daily practices as you talked about at the beginning, take us through some examples of of how this is structured, because if i’m thinking about a book where i’m given something to think about every

day, if I’m going through a creative process there might be some days when certain activities are more appropriate than others, So if you’re at the beginning of a journey, it might be more about ideational, or refining ideas but at a certain point you might need to to get into the thick of actually pretty

 

Todd Henry: Right.

 

Nick Skillicorn: and being productive. But you said that every time you read this book every page should make sense at at that point in time.

 

Todd Henry: Yeah.

 

Nick Skillicorn: So how? How is it structured to actually relate to something you should think about or do on that day

 

Todd Henry: Yeah. So there are a lot of entries, several several entries that are, we could call maybe 50,000 foot entries, which are, Let’s think about your your life and your work in the grand scheme of things and let’s talk about your overall approach to your work and how you’re organizing your

life. Those would be sort of like higher order types of entries.

But there are also some very practical tactical entries that are designed to help you spark an idea.

So, for example, hey, do this exercise to spark an idea. Today.

You know things like that. So none of us, or well, I should say very few of us have the luxury of only working on one thing at a time.

So you know, while we’re working on the final stages of one project, we might be at the very beginning stages of another project.

Or while we’re maybe mid-career, we might be starting a new relationship.

That is, you know, sort of affecting us in in other ways, and so entries are designed in the book to be such that really, regardless of where you are in your life, your career, whatever stage, of project.

Your work you happen to be in It’s something that you can think about that day, or apply in some way, or if you’re a leader, that you can teach your team it’s designed to be something that will meet you where you are and we wanted to be very intentional about that making

certain that they didn’t feel like any days. Entry was kind of a waste.

As a matter of fact, some of the early thinking we have was Well, let’s let’s do a week on focus.

Then we’ll do a week on relationship. And what we realize is that’s not terribly helpful to people, because if people don’t feel like they’re struggling with focus at any given point in time they’re just gonna kind of skip over that week, I mean why would I read this if it doesn’t

seem relevant to me. We wanted each day to feel like they were unwrapping a package.

It was kind of a surprise to them. What’s today’s entry going to be about And it?

Would it would spark some kind of new connections, some sort of new insight, because it so it caught them by surprise and surprise, is a very important tactic when it comes to teaching and leadership and often a very effective tactic.

When helping people apply what they learn, it makes concepts much more sticky

 

Nick Skillicorn: one thing I like about you and your work, and obviously I didn’t mention the beginning talks about one of the best podcasts about creativity on the. Internet.

So if you like this one, you’ll definitely like towards accidental creative podcast as well.

and one thing you often talk about is creativity isn’t just about having ideas and being imaginative.

It’s about doing something with those ideas, and being credibly productive.

so? What is the the outcome? That you’re hoping this book helps people achieve?

Is it overcoming areas that they might have? Or is it the the kick in the pan to actually sit down and do the creative work?

That’s inside them. What is it about helping them on?

One specific creative project from start to completion. What what sort of things is it gonna help?

Actually help, people achieve

 

Todd Henry: Well, I would say, the answer is yes to all of that.

But let me put a caveat on my response, because it sounds like it’s trying to accomplish everything which it’s not.

The book really is designed to be to create a cadence in people’s life where they are thinking, not just about the work but about how they’re doing the work.

We are. We often talk about, think about discuss, collaborate on the work itself.

But we don’t step back to look at process They don’t think about how we’re approaching the work Well, that’s where we typically get ourselves into trouble.

It’s not usually that we we lack the talent that we need or the drive that we need.

We don’t always lack the resources that we need to.

Okay, what we do struggle with very often process. And the reason is, we become sloppy over time.

We begin to shoot from the hip, we rely on talent.

We just show up every day and expect ideas just to come, because they always have.

They’ve just always been there when we need them, and they’re just always going to be there And thus we’re not intentional about how we structure our life or our process We don’t talk about how we’re doing the work and So this entire book is really about process it’s really about how

you were approach little things that you might be doing that could be impeding your ability to produce great works.

Let me give you an example. One of the entries is about unnecessary complexity.

We we don’t realize how you easily we can slip into a place of unnecessary complexity, meaning, we add layer upon layer upon layer, commitment upon commitment until we feel strangled and we don’t understand that we don’t realize it until we need to be able to

deliver. And suddenly we can’t, because we’re jumping over 7, hurdles, just to be able to get to the point where we can do the work because we’ve made things needlessly complex that’s something you’re not going to just suddenly have an awareness of on your own you’re

not going to wake up one day and say, I think my life is unnecessarily complex.

I think my process is unnecessarily complex. Maybe you will, but it’s it’s unlikely.

That’s just an spontaneously happened. The book is the catalyst to force that conversation.

Hey! Have you made your life unnecessarily complex? Is there any place in your processes where you’re throwing hurdles in front of yourself, or if you’re a leader, is there, a place where you’re putting hurdles in front of your team that are unnecessary how can you

simplify the process, so that you can spend your finite mental cycles doing the work itself.

That’s one example. But you know, process focused conversations typically don’t happen in organizations, or when they do happen, it’s we’re gonna blow, everything up and start all over again, and because we know it’s not working but we don’t know why.

It’s not working. Instead, What we wanna do is create a cadence where and and by the way, a lot of I already.

Have many teams that are going through daily creative on their own as a team, meaning that they are having a cadence of conversations about the same topic.

So today we might be talking about unnecessary complexity.

Tomorrow. Maybe we’re going to talk about how we’re resolving conflict on the team the day after that we’re gonna talk about how we generate ideas.

The day after that we’re gonna talk about whether we’re spending our attention and the right places, and how we’re defining problems for that.

The team should be solving. So they’re all having They’re reading the same thing.

They’re having these conversations day after day, and it’s all designed to help them improve.

Get a little bit better each day together as a as a team.

That’s really when you ask what was that trying to do?

That was the objective. With what with this was to create a community of thousands or tens of thousands of creative professionals, or even more, who have, who are all having this cadence of learning application conversation, day after day and we’re all reading, the same thing, at the same time which I think could be really exciting

including me. By the way, I wrote this book because I need this book You know I’ve been going through it every day since I wrote it.

I’ve had early access, of course, but the reason being, you know, these are all things that I need to think about in my in my life, and work as well. This isn’t something I’m just lobbying out there to other people I wrote this book because it’s the book that I need to help

me stay prolific, brilliant, and healthy.

 

Nick Skillicorn: I love this focus on process, cause. It’s not just around creativity.

It’s anything that involves creativity, especially innovation as well.

There’s so much bad advice out there about what’s what’s important, and what’s gonna help you overcome this?

Hurdles and a lot of it. If you really boil it down, is nothing more than a bit of motivational speaking A lot of it’s around.

 

Todd Henry: Right.

 

Nick Skillicorn: You can do it, or you. Here’s some techniques to generate more ideas, but very little.

Of It actually goes to the next step of okay, But what do you need to do to do something with those ideas?

And that’s where this focus on not only how to overcome the the the challenges in the barriers through process, but, also as you said, the cadence, and the practice this Seth Godin talks about the practice all the time and it’s it’s what

distinguishes someone who is a 1 million in imaginative, from someone who takes those ideas and actually produces something, even if it’s not perfect.

At the beginning, and chances are it’s not going to be perfect.

It’s going to be pretty good to start with, but what what’s your process to take that and turn it into the next version will edit it and refine it, and improve upon it, this combination of divergent and convergent thinking that’s that’s required to make anything great sorry

 

Todd Henry: Right.

 

Nick Skillicorn: that meet me just going on on a little ramble there.

But while I was listening to you I was especially the end there, hearing you say, This is the book that you need to right now.

Why do you think over the last couple of years there’s been something to drive you towards creating this type of book?

It’s very different from your previous books, which have been very much more around helping individuals and teams do the best creative work in much more of a long form fashion.

This sounds like much more sort of short, syncopated daily advice.

Has there been something since the pandemic, or before the pandemic, or something in your life, that made you think?

Now is the time when I myself or the world needs this different type of book

 

Todd Henry: Yes, there are a couple of things. First of all, you know, you probably like I.

I’ve noticed that our attention spans are decreasing.

you know, people are very easily distracted by whatever the next shiny thing is, and that’s not to belittle anyone.

I think it’s just a function of how our culture and our technology has shaped our attentiveness.

And so, you know, we could shake our fists and be upset about that, or we could say all right.

Well, how do we meet people where they are, and help people still accomplish what they’re trying to accomplish?

You know I mentioned, I think I mentioned the you know, if people are drowning, you don’t wanna throw them a 300 page manual about how to swim.

you want to offer them some quick, practical, actionable advice, like paddle your hands and move toward the boat.

Well, that’s really what this book was designed to do and to be, and mostly because what I’ve discovered is that people aren’t lacking advice.

There are so many books that they’re phenomenal books out there, and I’ve I’ve read and true.

I know that you have as well so many of them could never possibly read all of the great books that exist out there But I’ve read so many, of them.

You can see some of them over my shoulder Now, and they’re all great.

They’re all wonderful, and they take hours and hours and hours to get through, and then hours and hours, and hours to process and think about how to apply, which is great.

And I still do that, and I advise anybody to do that, because it’s the best way to grow in your capacity to commune with great minds Is Steven sample from you.

Us: Former phone president of Usc. Called it. You know we need to commune with great minds in order to shape our own perspective, our own thoughts, and at the same time what people often lack are those easy, easy, easily accessible, and actionable, nuggets and reminders of things that maybe they already know but they’ve forgotten

about. And so this book is really a book of in some ways a book of reminders rather than brand new concepts.

So as an example, you know, I write about stability, and challenge in hurting tigers and the imports of stability and challenge to the life of creative pros, and bounded autonomy being important when you’re leading teams of talented creative people, which is great and then the rest of the

book basically funnels up into that. And I spend 300 pages describing ways in which that plays out on the daily basis.

Really what we need to be reminded of is, hey? Stability and challenge are important to us.

Is there any way right now in your life where you lack the stability, the clarity of process, clarity of expectations, to accomplish your work, or where you lack challenge?

Are you feeling stuck? Do you need to take on the new project?

You need something to spark your creative ambition again. You know that simple little reminder in the 250 word essay, and then an actionable challenge like, Hey, go talk to your manager about ways.

That you could, you know, take on a project to spark a new sense of challenge or go talk to your manager about the fact that you need clarity.

Of expectations. That’s really useful to people, and the good part is they don’t have to go read a 300 page book to get there right It’s just a really simple reminder, and a very practical action.

Step So that’s what I was trying to do with this book is just remember them of things they probably already suspected or new, and then give them something really simple.

That they can do about it rather than saying, Hey, go, read my book, hurting tigers, read all 300 pages, and then figure out from that what you think you need to do next.

 

Nick Skillicorn: Obviously I’d recommend you do, anyway. I mean all of all of tons.

 

Todd Henry: Well, of course.

 

Nick Skillicorn: Books are fantastic. But let’s let’s keep it focus on on the the current.

One. It’s interesting. You talk about. People’s attention spans decreasing and decreasing because a lot of people would assume that that’s The case.

With the rise of short form, Video and Tiktok, and all of of that.

But there’s something else that I’ve seen over the last couple of years, and it is pretty directly related to the pandemic.

What I’ve seen is related to the conversation of the great resignation a while back, and not necessarily people just leaving their jobs.

 

Todd Henry: Hmm.

 

Nick Skillicorn: But worldwide. When this huge pandemic hit and working structures changed where sometimes people were either laid off or put on, fellow or working from home for the first time, for the first time at in many years, questioned what was really important to them and a lot of people during this time I think ask themselves

 

Todd Henry: Right.

 

Nick Skillicorn: what if output is inside me that I have been either keeping back because my real job was more important right now, or is just something that they want to consider thinking about, and for a lot of people I think that it really feels like drowning like you talked about at the beginning because this wealth of options can

 

Todd Henry: Right.

 

Nick Skillicorn: feel daunting and overpowering if you don’t know either.

Should you pursue something like this, or which of the when you different business models could I think about, and of each of those which of the 30 or 50 different ways of promoting it?

am I seeing, being being promoted? It’s yeah.

And people are exasperated, not knowing where to start. And I think that’s where, sometimes having a process, even if it’s not the perfect process any process that makes you make progress is better than analysis by paralysis and not knowing where to start have you seen anything similar happening like that

 

Todd Henry: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean no question. I I think that there’s it is especially the case with people who are new to the marketplace, so they feel like they have to have everything figured out from the very beginning you know I can’t take a job that I don’t know is perfectly.

Suited for me, perfectly aligned with my ultimate life.

Ambition. You have no idea what your ultimate life ambition is when you I mean, I say, this is a father of a of someone who’s in college right now, right like he has some ideas of what he’s good.

At what he might want to do, but, like, I would never suspect him to know exactly what he wants to do, or where he wants to be.

1015, 20 years from now, right now, when he knows the least about himself, that he’s ever going to know.

And so to your point, What we have to do is throw ourselves in throw ourselves into a process, throw ourselves into a role, start adding value, pay attention to what we’re doing pay attention to places where we seem to be adding disproportionate value, and take notes, on those things, and learn about ourselves and add as

much value as we can, and as we do that we learned in the midst of doing, not the other way around.

You don’t figure it out and then go do it.

You you do, and you discover passion. You uncover passion in the midst of doing things, not sitting around, thinking about things

 

Nick Skillicorn: Speaking, of learning, by doing you mentioned at the beginning that your eating your own dog food and you’re going through the points in the book yourself.

 

Todd Henry: Yeah.

 

Nick Skillicorn: While you were planning and drafting these points back, when you would still in the writing process, did you surprise yourself in any situations where you thought, Oh, I would have expected this to be easier for me being a creative.

Professional. Maybe I’ve I’ve lost touch with part of the process, or I’ve just got comfortable in in parts of the process, and I needed something to to trigger the beginner’s mind again were There any examples in your own work that you were surprised by

 

Todd Henry: Yeah, I would say so. I would say that one of the things that was sparked in me through this whole process was a reimagining and one of the entries Is actually about this or reimagining of what it is i’m trying to do in the world and what kind of container.

I’m going to need for the things that I’m trying to do in the world.

There’s a really interesting insight that I had.

I realized that really the last couple of decades of writing long form, books, I mean, this is my sixth book, right with a major publisher.

So, you know, for all of these years of writing long form books.

It was great, it was wonderful. But I realized this might actually be the best summation of my work, and also the most effective and practical tool moving.

Forward. It really cause me to to rethink how I present ideas into the world.

I’ve been podcasting since 2,005, so 17 years now I’ve been doing a podcast, that really is my native format is, you know, short form, accessible ideas.

It’s different every week. It’s a new topic.

It’s something different, That’s what I’ve been doing for 17 years.

Books really are sort of the anomaly for me, which is, you know, every couple of years I write this 300 page thing.

That’s all about one topic. And so riding a book that feels much more like a series of podcasts is probably much more of My native format.

And so that was a really interesting insight for me. I I I don’t know that I will write another 300 page book.

My future books might be shorter form factor. They might be more like this one where you’re kind of bouncing from topic to topic I really don’t know, but that was a big insight, that I had it it was sparked by one of the entries in the book about containers and

I realized. Oh, I might maybe as much as I’ve loved writing those other books, and I think those books are.

I mean, I think, in my humble opinion, those books are certainly worth going and reading.

but I think it’s really sort of raised the question for me about what the best container for my work is moving forward.

I think we all can ask that question. I think we all should ask that question pretty pretty routinely.

 

Nick Skillicorn: I know that, especially when you’re running your own business as someone who produced things for living.

you’re an example of someone who has over the last couple of years experiment with the different series of different form, factors and power and containers is, you said, for how to your business and make money I mean, you’ve got the work you do with publicers where it’s it’s

it’s more of a traditional writing application. You’ve got podcasting as well, and you’ve also got premium.

Podcast, yeah, and maybe there’s some other things behind closed doors.

Speaking events, workshops. It it seems like you have put a lot of value on diversifying your not just creativity, but the the outlets and the business aspects of it as well how’s that working for you and what?

Do you see the feature for yourself?

 

Todd Henry: Well, it’s like anything else. I mean, some things work really well, and some things don’t work as well.

But you have to try a lot of things to figure out what’s gonna work best, and I think people often don’t try things because they’re afraid they’re gonna fail and that’s the only way that you learn.

Is by is by trying a lot of things. The the core.

Part of my business is teaching and training. I spend most of my time working with companies or speaking at conferences, speaking in events, that’s the biggest part of of what I do.

And so as you can imagine in 2020, that was kind of turned on its head, when suddenly we can’t get into rooms with a 1,000 people anymore, you know, that sort of changed my business model quite a bit, and I had to make a big pivot to virtual speaking And training I built out a studio in

my office, and basically ended up doing a full form Tv production every time I I present the companies.

But now that’s become another, you arrow in my quiver, so to speak.

I’m doing a lot of in person, speaking and training now over the coming months.

But I I’m doing probably just as much virtual training and speaking, and not necessarily because of the pandemic any longer, but because now, that’s become a viable way, for companies who either are remote or maybe can’t afford to bring me in in person to have me participate in their events without the need

to you know. Fly me to California, or you know Canada or you know the Philippines.

I can now still be a part of their organizational event, or part of their conference without needing to be there in person.

So you know, it’s it’s really interesting, because I had shunned virtual presentations for years and years and years, because the core part of my business was in-person training in person.

Speaking and I thought, Well, this is not good. This is, gonna cannibalize my business.

What I’ve discovered is that it’s actually opened up brand new opportunities in terms of the who I can communicate with, and where I can be.

I did an event in Chicago a couple of weeks ago, where I was doing a full day workshop for a company.

They broke for lunch. I did a 45 min virtual presentation for a company in California over lunch, which both parties knew by the way, but I was you know I set up my entire studio in this room right it was actually a basketball court at the Chicago athletic

association. That’s where the event was being held. I set up my my thing.

I did a 45 min virtual presentation tore it down.

The other company came back. We finished the workshop. I was able to do 2 events in one day, which there’s no way I would be able to do that otherwise.

So I I think it’s interesting how the pandemic forced innovation in a lot of ways in a lot of people’s business models, and how they think about things And And you know this virtual speaking or virtual training.

Thing is one example of something, I think, is not going to go away anytime soon, But that’s to your point.

A part of that diversification, you know it’s finding other ways of connecting with people and opening up new revenue opportunities that were unavailable.

Really even just a couple of years ago.

 

Nick Skillicorn: And speaking of keeping on, diversifying, keeping, moving forward.

If people wanna find out more about the Daily Creative Book, I know that it’s coming out very soon.

So depending on when you hear this, you might still be in the pre-order window.

 

Todd Henry: Nope, it’s out today. It’s out as we’re speaking.

 

Nick Skillicorn: We might not be. It’s out today.

 

Todd Henry: Yes. So as we’re speaking is out today.

 

Nick Skillicorn: Oh, excellent! Well, in that case I can only reiterate.

top does amazing work. If people want to find out more about this most recent amazing work and the book what’s the best place they can go to find out more

 

Todd Henry: So the book is available anywhere. Books are sold so it’s called daily creative.

And if you wanna learn more about me you can go to Todd.

Henry Com. That you can read all about my books and all the other things that I do, or you can go to. But you can go to Daily creative.net, which is where you’ll find more about daily creative

 

Nick Skillicorn: Perfect, I’ll make sure to get all of those links down in the description below.

Todd. As always, it’s been wonderful having you here, and I look forward to speaking again with you soon

 

Todd Henry: Thank you so much

 

Nick Skillicorn: I help teams and companies just like yours unleash the creativity and innovation potential that already exists in your people.

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